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US Open Mixed Doubles Reaction with Philip Fama
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The US Open just announced its entry list for the 2025 Mixed Doubles Tournament. In case you missed it, they've made significant changes to the event this year, which I discussed with Dan Kiernan and many players at Indian Wells back in March on the podcast.
This episode, recorded on Instagram Live with Philip from Tweener Head Tennis, includes my initial reaction to the entry list and a deeper discussion surrounding mixed doubles and ATP/WTA doubles.
As the US Open revamps the event with singles stars over doubles specialists, there's one thing we know for sure... change is already here, and more is coming.
Here's a bit of what we discuss.
- The initial entry list featured nine of the top ten singles players from the ATP & WTA, and only two doubles specialists
- Fast-4 scoring & whether people want to call the winners true "Grand Slam Champions"
- The more important reason I think it's tough to call it a real Grand Slam tournament
- The dramatic prize money increase - Champions win 5x from 2024
- The agreement with ESPN
- And more...
I enjoy conversations like this to explore the solutions and potential changes for doubles. I hope this leads to positive outcomes for doubles and doubles specialists.
If you have a reaction to share, reach out! I'd love to hear from you.
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Introducing Mixed Doubles Discussion
Speaker 1All right, let's talk mixed doubles.
Speaker 2To start this conversation, we'll let some people trickle in how you been doing lately. You've been busy.
Speaker 1Good yeah, I've kind of relaunched my membership so we've got kind of two sides to the tennis tribe business. So one is is trying to cover the pro doubles tour and promote that as much as we can, and then also a lot of strategy work right. So I I work with some pro teams and players, but also a lot of club level players follow my content. Um, so for a while I was putting out courses and e-books and just selling them kind of one off and I decided to launch a membership last year in November. But it was unteachable and the platform for memberships is just like not great.
Speaker 2Really.
Speaker 1So, yeah, it's just not very good. They're better for, like, selling one-off courses. So I migrated all of the content over to my website directly, so now the membership's there, so people can sign up like directly through the website now. So it's a lot better and I'm excited for it. In the future it's going to be yeah. Yeah, there's a lot more like flexibility and I'm going to be able to produce a lot more content and it's just a better experience so that's awesome.
Speaker 1Uh, yes, it was fun. We launched that last week, so it was good. So how much?
Speaker 2how much of that content are you so? Is it now streamlined through the website itself, or are you doing it through a third party that you put all your content on?
Initial Reactions to US Open Announcement
Speaker 1No, it's, it's through the website. So we've got, um, we've got, uh, like a, just a WordPress plugin, basically called learn dash. That helps out with it a little bit. Um, so it a little bit. So it's been fun. What about you? What have you been up to?
Speaker 2I am currently hold on, let me grab my notebook. Can you still hear me if I'm walking away? Yeah, oh, that means my mic is working, Fantastic. No, I'm kind of just planning out my summer schedule for where I'm trying to go. I'm trying to kind of focus on where and see where I can fit myself in terms of what's logical for traveling to and what's not. Yeah, so I got that on the mind right now, and seeing some people coming in here too, which is awesome to see, but I think that's the main goal right now. I still got some playing and practicing to do that. I want to get some stuff done for, but I want to kind of focus on where I can go. So that's I think that's the hardest part right now at least, because then it's all logistics right. It's like how do you get there? How do you pay for it? Who's paying for it? Am I paying for it? Things like that.
Speaker 1Yeah, where are you trying to go?
Speaker 2So I have Newport. The Challenger NWTA 125K is one that I'm doing this year, whether as a fan or as a media credentialed person, so I love that tournament. I was sad to see it go to a 250, but the addition of the women actually is huge. I think I'm very excited to see what they do with that, or if they're going to open up more courts now that it's going to be a men's and women's tournament. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then I want to go to DC. This year Haven't been there and, oh my gosh, is it 25? So almost six years now Haven't been back. So it would be fun to go back there, and then hopefully Cincy and maybe Winston in Salem, but I think I want to try to go to the juniors Kalamazoo, the big junior tournament in Michigan. I think that would be a really fun one to showcase and kind of show off. Um.
Speaker 2So I have a lot of big plans yeah, it's a big schedule that's a big schedule exactly yeah, um let's yeah, go ahead oh I'm.
Speaker 1I was just gonna say I'm looking at either DC or Cincy, so keep you posted on that.
Speaker 2Which one would you rather do, do you think? Do you have a?
Speaker 1preference Probably Cincy. I've just heard really good things about it. It's a bigger tournament, so probably that, but it'll just depend on my schedule.
Speaker 2Oh, 100%, 100% We'll see, we'll see, 100%, we'll see. For now, let's kind of jump into why we are here. I mean, you saw the news, you reposted my video, so thank you for that. To kind of start off, what was your initial thoughts when you saw this come out? Because the main reason why I'm having Will, why we're doing this live and why I wanted to kind of have more of a public audience, because I wanted to learn more about the US Open mixed doubles let's just say extravaganza, because I feel like that's the only way I can describe that Because when you and I have it open on my laptop too, the amount of people that are looking at the initial tweet, according to like 9am, had over 2.7 million views.
Speaker 1Yeah, I saw that this morning, so like 9 am had over 2.7 million views.
Singles Stars vs. Doubles Specialists
Speaker 2Yeah, so this morning. Yeah, it's. It's crazy how some people are really excited about it and some people are on the more, and I think this is where I am currently standing on the line of like, yeah, excellent, exhibition match. Or, like someone even tweeted, take away people's livelihood, which is a stronger statement, to say the least, but for that kind of reception of it there, it seems very polar right now, like you're either really with it or you're not, or you're saying that it's completely against every doubles player that's making a living from doubles itself, right so?
Speaker 1yeah what?
Speaker 2what was your initial reaction?
Speaker 1when you saw this, um, yeah, I mean, was it had more single stars than I, uh, initially, would have guessed? Um, like I was surprised by how many of the top 10 they were able to get on both sides. I think it was nine of ten for wta and atp, yeah, but yeah. So there was like a few players that was I was thinking they'd get like I don't know five to seven of the top ten or something.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1And then I thought there would be more doubles players. I knew it would be fewer doubles than singles, yeah, but I thought there would be a few more double specialists. So, like, I was expecting to see potentially um shesu way in there, um, and maybe they asked her and she just said no, I doubt it, though, um, based on looking looking at the um, looking at the people, the initial lineup, and she may end up playing right, like this is so early. I mean, who knows if, like Radhikanth is going to play a mixed doubles event, right, like she backs out, she she's struggled with injuries a lot, so like, so who knows what it'll look like in the end? But, yeah, that like my initial thoughts are definitely like surprised at how many of the top 10 singles players they got.
Speaker 1Now, that said, that's awesome for their marketing, right, they're able to blow this thing up yesterday, over two months before it even happens, and this is something that tennis has. A weird, I mean, I guess the NBA is kind of like this too, where, like youcaraz or Raducanu can just back out and the person who bought their ticket to see them specifically like cannot get a refund, like it's just kind of a weird thing. So we'll see how it plays out. I don't want to like I don't know. We should all kind of expect changes for sure. But yeah, I was kind of disappointed, like I, and maybe this will happen. But I wanted to see like shea in there. I thought maybe sinia kava would get um a wild card, even though, like she's not a, she doesn't have a ton of big like mixed doubles results, but obviously she's like the best doubles player in the on the women's tour, probably um definitely one of the.
Speaker 2I thought like, so like yeah, that has like um that has.
Speaker 2If I'm, I just want to jump in there real quick, because it's like, if you talk sinyakova and you talk about like combination of nationalities, right, like danilovichilovich and Djokovic, right, right, and Tiafoe Keys, or like Shelton Townsend like, or Andreeva Medvedev, if we're going along those routes, like wouldn't you like? I wonder if they even asked Jakub Menchik to play with Sinyakova, like that's another's another Czech-dominant all-star kind of lineup, where the guy won his first Masters 1000 and is also one of the big ones that's coming up on the tour and you're not putting him in here. Yeah, that thought process.
Speaker 1Yeah, because she and Mahatch won bronze, I believe, last year at the Olympics.
Speaker 2Who won gold for mixed? I thought it was gold.
Speaker 1Oh, they did win gold. I'm sorry, you're right, my brain was mixing stuff up. Yeah, you're right. No, they did win gold. Yeah, so that would have made a lot of sense. Right, they won gold. That even slipped my mind when I was talking earlier. So like, yeah, I was expecting to see a few more players like that. Like I definitely expected townsend to be in because I figured she would. She seems to be like you know, she's a top like 100, yeah, or 60 ish singles player anyways, and like she seems to be good friends with, like ben shelton, shelton and Tiafoe and a lot of the singles players anyway.
Speaker 2And she got good highlights last year when she played with Shelton too, and that was like a big thing that was happening.
Speaker 1She was with Donald Young last year.
Speaker 2yeah, Was she with Donald Young? Yeah, when did she play with Shelton? Two years ago.
Speaker 1I think that was two years ago. I think she and Donald Young made the finals last year and it was like Donald Young's last tournament.
Speaker 2Yeah, Right for tennis.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly. Is there a way I can put this on Tennis Tribe Instagram Live too?
Speaker 2It should pop up with Okay, it should pop up with that as well. I don't know when it says when I'm live, it should be you with that as well. I don't know when it says when I'm live, it should be you're live as well.
Speaker 1So if I go to Instagram right now. Yeah, I'm on my personal account on my computer and I see yours, but I'm not seeing the. Tennis Tribe one it should automatically come up as both, both, so hopefully it does that, maybe. Um, uh, so yeah, that I mean that was kind of my initial thoughts, but but yeah, like I said, I mean we're gonna see. Um, a lot of people are upset about like the format, which they have been since march.
Speaker 2Um, yeah, that's which is like I don't know.
Speaker 1I was thinking like more about it this morning before the call, kind of rereading the announcement from the US Open on their website and, like you know, they've totally overhauled the event, right, like so.
Fast Four Format Controversy
Speaker 1But I will say, like the event staying the same as it was, like it was it was good, like as a big doubles fan and like people who are super into tennis, like it was good, like it was great. But as far as like growing the sport and I do think mixed doubles is a massive opportunity to grow our sport Like it was it wasn't really doing that, I'm not to its full potential. So, like this is a thing where, like I don't love the fact that there's so few doubles specialists in the the draw really there's only two, um, but you know I'm I'm willing to, I guess, give that up, like I get that. They just have to make changes and they have to make this work in year one and the way to do that in the short term is to get the stars which happened to all be on the singles tour because they don't market the doubles tour and this isn't like the U? S opens fall right. This is the tour, all of the tournaments, culture, tennis, whatever it is.
Speaker 1So, like maybe maybe this tenant, maybe this event blows up and is like huge, and then next year they open it up to 32 and put more double specialists in and then over time it kind of becomes a better blend and some of those double specialists do become stars through the mixed event because they beat Alcaraz and Raducanu in the final or whatever it is you know, and and I think along those lines and I've been trying to get a gauge of everyone else's opinion on this too and it's like the only times we play mixed doubles is during grand slams.
Speaker 2I mean, they tried it in Indian Wells this past year and Andrea and Arani won, I think, indian Wells this year. They tried that right.
Speaker 1They tried that right, andreva, and no. Vavasori and Irani won at Indian Wells, yeah.
Speaker 2So they tried it at a Masters 1000 tournament, which is fine. I think they're definitely trying to promote more opportunities for mixed doubles throughout the year. Again, it's one of those very limited competitions that you have to try and trying to see what works and what doesn't. Hopefully, I haven't heard anything bad, nor have I heard anything big about the Indian Wells mixed doubles event and with promotion-wise, I think from a promoting standpoint standpoint, this is their way of doing it in the short term.
Speaker 2in the long term, yeah like you said, hopefully it gets bigger. Hopefully it'll be like a more fun competition and a better way of integrating those singles and doubles players to handle more publicity and yeah, what's yeah 100. What's coming to my mind too is like if they really want to try new things in doubles or in singles, like all this mic'd up stuff, all this like new kind of integration of fans like mixed doubles seems like the perfect way of doing it because of uh, it not have let's just say, not having all the eyes on it.
Speaker 2So it's a good kind of test run, like they. Yeah, they mic'd up the doubles players in dc. I don't think they have done that again since dc. What was it last year? Or the year before? Yeah?
Speaker 1it was 2024. Yeah, it was last year it was last year. I don't know that they've done that either. They've started to do I mean, they've done this in singles too, like they did it with Shelton's dad. They started to do interviewing the coaches, like in between sets and stuff um which they've done that on on doubles as well, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1I mean, it is kind of a a ground for, for experimentation, and, um, yeah, mixed would be a good way to do that. I think, um, there will be a lot of eyes on it this year though, uh, because it looks like it's going to be on espn2, um, both days yeah, and they're, they're putting it towards.
Speaker 2And I'm reading, I'm rereading the article now it's the semifinals and finals will air on espn2 in prime time, while the yeah, so, and then the first and second rounds will be on espn2, espn News and ESPN+, which is great, because you want to push that right, you want to push it on all these extra platforms to kind of help with promoting the sport. And I'm going to ask you this and I don't know if this is controversial or not but when you have it as a fast four format, is it? Do you really want to consider it like a grand slam anymore competition? Yeah, because it's. It's.
Prize Money and Player Commitment
Speaker 2I personally and I've said this before when I've done videos playing, uh, playing tennis and uh tournaments but how can you consider it a Grand Slam if you're playing a fast four set? I personally don't like that format because it doesn't give enough rhythm and it's supposed to be quicker. But that's like saying, oh, let's play baseball with seven innings instead of nine, let's not play the full thing out, let's shorten it and hopefully, yeah, keeps people's attention for a longer period of time yeah, it's um, yeah, it seems like most.
Speaker 1So I guess there's two perspectives. One is I talked I talked with somebody who helps like put this together at the, the USTA, and they told me they're absolutely going to call it a Grand Slam. Like whoever wins this, they're going to say they are US Open Grand Slam champions. And I pushed back a little bit. I was like, well, it's fast forward, like a lot of people are saying this is more like exhibition. He was like, well, I mean, they're entitled to their opinion, but that's what we're going to call it. So I mean that's fine.
Speaker 1I think people within the tennis world, like us, most people I've talked to question calling it a Grand Slam, similar to you, not only is it fast forward, for the finals is to six, which is something, but um, the the first, yeah, the first three rounds is not uh. So not only is it fast four, but it's also one less match. So, um, historically, the mixed or at least in recent history, that has been uh, 32 teams and now it's only 16. So, yeah, it's a lot less tennis than it used to be. Um, yeah to to win the mixed title.
Speaker 1And I guess the other argument that I would say is probably the better argument for not calling it like a US Open mixed champion is you're not going to have the best mixed doubles teams in the world playing in this Like you've got Arani and Vavasori, who are the best mixed doubles team in the world right now. They won the US Open last year. They lost the Australian Open. They won Indian Wells, which had 12 teams, so it's not much different than this. It had 12 teams and you played sets of six, so it's not much different than this.
Speaker 1And then they just won the French Open. So like they're the best team in the world in mixed doubles right now. But you don't have Shaysu Wei, who won two uh grand slam titles in mixed last year. You don't have desiree kravchik, who has like four grand slam mixed titles and she just made the semis and lost like 10-7 in the third. Yeah, um, she and neil skupsky are certainly one of the top mixed doubles teams in the world. So you like don't actually have the best teams in the tournament.
Speaker 2So like and it's not because they don't want to be there, it's not like- they're choosing to avoid it, and I want to point out, too, that this the names that the US Open put out in their graphic. And just to let people know, there are two four, there's one two it's 14, 14 teams 14 teams on the graphic? Right, that's right, yeah, so, but 14 teams on the graphic, that's not guaranteed all of them are playing it. These are just people that have signed up Like yeah, I don't know what they call it.
Speaker 1I mean I guess like committed. Or yeah, I don't know what they call it. I mean I guess like committed or yeah.
Speaker 2So I think that's another thing that people are forgetting that with this graphic, yeah, it's going to spark a lot of controversy and it's going to spark a lot of attention. That's why the tweet has probably 3 million views now, but you also have to remember that probably half of these people that are in this graphic are not going to play.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's probably a fair assessment. If it's less than half, it won't be much less, I would imagine.
Speaker 2Because if it's supposed to be 16 teams, eight are direct entries based on combined singles ranking that's another thing. Direct entries based on combined singles ranking, that's another thing. And then eight receiving wild cards. They're probably going to give more than half of the wild card cards to Americans and then the rest are probably going to be like big names for their wild cards, and then direct entry based on singles ranking is going to be probably like Chiaffo and Keyes. So it's like which one is the USTA going to prioritize when picking these teams, or is it going to be I'm putting this in quotes because a random draw is going to be very different If this all comes out and it's like oh look, half of the teams that were on this graphic actually made it, and maybe two double specialist teams are making it whether or not they want to play or not.
Speaker 1Sorry, somebody had just called in. I missed the last five seconds of that.
Speaker 2No, it's okay, I was just going to say can you hear me now? Yeah, so just like the idea of who's going to be prioritized in a random draw versus who's actually going to play, and maybe two teams of double specialists are going to play in the draw and whether or not they accept to play or not is on them yeah, can you hear me? Yeah, can you hear me?
Doubles Players' Response and Marketing
Speaker 1yeah, I think my headphones are done, we're just going to take them off. Um, yeah, so I I think in terms of the draw, I mean, like you said, the big thing is like we don't know how many of these people are going to play. But one thing I mean they're really trying to make it work right, like the US Open really wants this to be successful, mainly like probably, on ESPN.
Speaker 2Yeah, so they want to get all the stars.
Speaker 1Well, yeah then they can come back to espn next year and be like okay, like I don't know how long their contract for this with espn is. I would guess it's only one year. Right, it's like okay, y'all saw what it can do, like it works. So they really want to get as many of these top 10 players, uh, on the single side to play. And one of the reasons, one of the ways they're trying to do that, is this large prize money. To win a million dollars for a mixed event is a lot. I think the total purse for the mixed event last year was $600,000. So the winners got I think it was like two something or three something. So it's like more than triple the prize money this year. So that's the thing that's going to be interesting to see.
Speaker 1Like, I would guess, early on in the draw. You know your players like Djokovic and Alcaraz and Savalinka. Like they're going, they're gonna try, but it's gonna be pretty casual and they're gonna be laughing and having fun. Um, but once you get to the semis and finals, like it becomes a little bit more real money and it'll depend to there. Right, like Djokovic. Djokovic does not need five hundred,000, right, neither does like Savalinka, but like that would matter for somebody like Taylor Townsend or like Danilovic, right Like? She's not like making money like some of these top, top players. So I think, yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see that. And then Arani and Babasori will obviously be putting in max effort throughout because they're going to want to win this thing, to prove a point and maintain their dominance on the mixed doubles the few mixed doubles tournaments we do have and, as doubles fans, I think that's who most of us are going to be rooting for. I think it'd be really cool to see that.
Speaker 2I think so too. But in terms of players like that, when you look at doubles players and you obviously have had a lot on your podcast you've had a lot of people come up to you and talk to you about doubles. So when has any pro players come to you and talk to you about what's going on? Or has anyone? Or have there been whispers of like there's so many singles player in this, why would I play this? Or is there like any notion? I'm not going to say boycott, but is there any pushback from doubles players that you've heard of that are really against this?
Speaker 1yeah, um, I haven't talked to any since this came out yesterday. Uh, so, or not directly. Um, I think, like ellen perez put some stuff out on Twitter, but it wasn't too controversial, I think it was more. Back in March it was announced and then at that time I got to go, you know, a week or two later got to go to Indian Wells and chat with a lot of players and coaches and media. Yeah, I mean a lot of the players you know. I think there was a few different. I mean a lot of the players you know there, there, I think there was a few different. I guess takes on it Like a lot of them were upset.
Speaker 1Um and, and most of the ones who were upset like expressed it on Twitter and Instagram, right, like it wasn't. You know, they're not like opening up to me and saying don't share this information, like they're opening up on on social media too, yeah, so a lot of the players were upset, um, and, and then some of them were like, um, I'm disappointed, but I understand, like, yeah, so, but but I think for me, like the, the response maybe not responsible, the mature way to take this if you are a double specialist is like and I talked about this with Dan Kiernan on our double special episode that we did and we published it on both of our podcasts but we talked about how, like this should be kind of, maybe a little bit of a kind of a kick in the ass for for double specialists, like, look, this is going to be taken out from under you, like you've got to start taking a lot of this into your own hands.
Speaker 1And some of them do, to be fair, like we just mentioned, ellen Perez, like she's on the players council and she's like doing what she can to help make things better, um, but there are a lot of players on the men's side, um, and even on the women, on the women's side as well, um, although women's doubles isn't in in as bad of a spot as probably men's doubles, um, in terms of popularity, for a number of reasons.
The Disconnect Between Recreational and Pro Doubles
Speaker 1But there are players on both sides who just show up to the tournament, play tennis, collect their paycheck, go home and like that's fine. But if more announcements come out that are kind of undercutting the doubles specialists, like you can't, you don't really have a leg to stand on and complain if you haven't been doing anything to try to help plane, if you haven't been doing anything to to try to help um. So I'm hoping that more players will continue to kind of push and, you know, come on my podcast and like promote themselves on social media, do like a um, do your own, like I don't know day in the life of a doubles player blog or something I don't know, whatever it is just something more social, where people are now interacting with the person rather than the player.
Speaker 1Exactly. Yeah, I mean, that's how, um, that's how marketing works nowadays. It's like stuff like this you know, just have a conversation on Instagram live or you know, post something on Facebook or TikTok or whatever. Just show your personality off a bit more in the public eye because, ultimately, if you want more prize money, you're going to end up being a public figure.
Speaker 2You're going to have to do more, and I think we see that too Well. I think it's more in other countries than it is the United States. The United States is just saturated with sports influencers and tennis influencers and there's so many other sports ahead of tennis that if you look at let's go Bolelli and Valassori or Paolini, like you look at the country of Italy, like those guys are getting sponsorships, like they're single stars, excluding Paulini and Sinner, and like you have these players that are getting sponsorships because they have just like showcasing them once and then never talking about them again.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, it's got to be consistent and yeah, I mean the big message for the players is, like the tournaments, the tours, are not going to do this for you, like they've kind of proven that. Like we looked at you know, I watched Roland Garros Every morning. I was sitting in this exact chair and I had my work on my screen over here and the doubles matches over here, yeah, and you know was scrolling on Twitter and looking at Instagram every now and then and, like the Roland Garros Twitter and Instagram account just did not post about doubles. It just didn't happen. So it was like I don't know, 0.1% of their posts throughout the tournament were about doubles and the first one, I think, wasn't until, like the quarterfinals of the doubles draw, and it's a draw of 64.
Speaker 2Yeah, and it's a huge draw. You would think that they would have some.
Speaker 1Yeah, there just needs to be some kind of quota.
Speaker 2Two points that are like oh hey, look at what happened.
Speaker 1But again, it's not just Roland Garris, it's just the culture of tennis. We don't promote doubles and it's like social media is such a cheap, easy way to do it for these tournaments and they just don't care. Um, and I think eventually, like it's going to get undercut or something, just something's going to change and this is a time where, um, I'd encourage doubles players to to bring it into their own hands yeah, and I think, like I will say this, and I do appreciate you doing this live with me will um, I really do.
Speaker 2But, um, to give you one more like talking point is like you look at all these players in the united states, the casual players, country club players, players that play for fun, the number probably. Guess how many of those players play singles versus doubles? They're probably playing more doubles.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean certainly in the US. It's definitely more doubles heavy. Some people tell me in Europe a lot of, even older players play a lot more singles. Maybe that's partly due to more clay court access, so it's easier on the body, I guess. But I've also heard from some people like that there's I don't know. I've talked to some people from, uh, germany actually who've told me like no, like we, we don't play that much singles, like we actually do play a lot of doubles. So, um, I think it's more. There's certainly more doubles in the us as far as the ratio goes, but it's both. I mean it's really worldwide, like worldwide Like.
Speaker 1I was in Australia earlier this year and went to this local club near Melbourne park and had some lunch with some people who listen to my podcast and we were overlooking all these tennis courts and like there wasn't anybody playing singles, like it was all doubles. So yeah, I mean it's. It's certainly certainly more popular at the club level, recreational level, adult level the doubles and I think because of that it's got potential. We've just got to deliver to them in the right way, and right now we're delivering singles to them in the right way and we're basically only delivering singles to them. So that's what they're consuming, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1I think it's kind of that simple.
Final Thoughts and Future Projects
Speaker 2I totally agree with that and Will, thank you so much for doing this live. I really do appreciate talking about this. We're going to share this video on the on our instagram feed as well, so if people haven't been able to watch this throughout the day, they can check it out later. But make sure to follow will, who is very graciously following us. Uh, talking to us about all this doubles news content. Definitely worth following, um, will. What's the next project you're working on? Because I saw the? Uh, the one that you did with tennis warehouse. That was really cool to see at indian wells. Uh, talking about and from the court level. What's your next big project that you can tell us about?
Speaker 1yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a lot of fun. We got to stand behind the court with two men's doubles teams, one of them who won the Australian Open earlier this year. We basically commentated on their doubles practice for about 30 minutes or so. If people haven't seen that on YouTube, if you're into doubles and strategy, it was super cool. I got some really good feedback on it. Awesome. Next up is so I've just relaunched our membership on my website.
Speaker 1So, that's for adult club level players who want to improve their doubles game. I've got a lot of premium content and lessons. So I've just relaunched that and from here it's going to be kind of marketing that a bit more, getting the message out there. And then I'm going to be at the US Open. I'll be actually running a doubles camp there which will be announcing soon, and then I'll probably either go to Cincinnati or DC and then I'll probably either go to Cincinnati or DC some lead up tournament, hopefully at least for a couple of days. So I'm going to have some meetings there, try to set up a bunch of podcasts and hopefully continue to fight the good fight for the Devil's Tour. I love that. That's the plan for the rest of the year. So, anyways, I appreciate you having me on and definitely, um, yeah, send me the recording. Maybe we can uh, I can publish it on on our podcast and get some more listeners out there.
Speaker 2I would love to again thank you so much. Well, thank you to everyone that tuned into the live stream. Make sure to follow us on Instagram, check out our YouTube channels and we'll see you guys in the next one.